progress does not compel us to settle centuries long debate about the role of government for all-time, but it does require us to act in our time. >> question. given this passage is there any doubt in your mind that president obama's view is that the u.s. constitution is antiquated? >> i wouldn't say antiquated but i would say that it's pastime for people to hide behind the constitution and fail to face the challenges of today. and the most immediate issue that comes to mind, of course, is gun violence. and to rely on a second amendment that basically talks about creation -- creating militias to put down rebellion to apply that today to an unfettered right to have assault weapons with 30 or 60 rounds so you can go out and gun down little children, that then the constitution can be interpreted in a more elastic way. >> don't you think he's doing us a favor by remaining us that it is a living document and it must be accommodated to the conditions of today, but that doesn't necessarily has to be ripped apart or ignored in any respect. >> i agree with both sides of what you just said but i